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[03:29:06]<dziq>helo
[03:29:11]<dziq>*hello
[08:49:28]<nsz>cinap_lenrek: it is developed
[08:50:08]<nsz>and there will be a presentation about it at the linux tag march 15
[08:50:22]<nsz>after that we might have more info
[08:50:49]<cinap_lenrek>arg will give a talk at clt about it i think... the dl image only contains a naked busybox and gcc
[08:50:55]<cinap_lenrek>was just wondering
[08:51:03]<cinap_lenrek>ah
[08:53:02]<cinap_lenrek>i really would like to run it on my linuxemu under plan9... the startup of dynamic linked binaries is kind of slow under plan9
[08:54:44]<cinap_lenrek>as plan9 doesnt do caching of walks... so we take all the stat() at startup... and we cant share file mappings so dynamic linking under linuxemu is a complete waste
[08:55:02]<cinap_lenrek>also bundeling applications is a pain...
[08:55:45]<cinap_lenrek>the current state is having a old outdated debian root filesystem tarball unpacket somewhere and use apt-get
[08:57:47]<cinap_lenrek>if applications would be self contained... here wouldnt be even a reason to setup a linux like namespace for them
[08:59:07]<nsz>last time i felt the pain of dynamic linking when i recently tried to convert html into pdf in a nice way
[08:59:44]<nsz>ofcourse there is no nice way.. but i wanted to see what the netsurf browser can done with it
[08:59:56]<nsz>..and i failed to install it
[09:01:50]<nsz>(i ended up using html2ps then ps2pdf, but it required a few hacks to render certain things properly)
[09:02:28]<Zaba>netsurf is a bloody pain to build
[09:02:44]<Zaba>I only managed once, and I couldn't update it since
[09:03:47]<nsz>in this case i would be completely content with a huge statically linked binary for linux.. but there is no such thing
[09:05:33]<nsz>btw this was the pdf: http://ch24.org/files/ec.pdf
[09:05:44]<nsz>(programming contest task description)
[09:15:19]<srm>Hi Kernel Panic :)
[09:31:06]<arg>nsz: there is princexml
[09:31:31]<nsz>let me check
[09:31:45]<cinap_lenrek>hey srm
[09:31:53]<cinap_lenrek>doesnt prince cost $$$?
[09:33:05]<nsz>there seem to be a freely downloadable version..
[09:33:29]<arg>yes, but you can checkout a free version that prints "PrinceXML" somewhere into the result; and you can remove that with a hex editor
[09:36:44]<nsz>hehe
[09:37:46]<arg>I thought hacking surf should allow printing pdf's
[09:37:59]<nsz>actually html2ps displays images in more appropriate size than this prince
[09:39:44]<nsz>and text justification is uglier as well
[09:40:05]<nsz>but at least it knows how to write the text around an image
[09:43:24]<arg>hmm, well prince understands css quite well, that's the only advantage I noticed, but I'm sure it'll be trivial to write a similar tool using webkit and cairo-pdf
[09:45:46]<arg>cinap_lenrek: watch out I'll push other stali stuff this week, there'll be more stali- repos at hg.suckless.org
[10:13:51]<cinap_lenrek>arg: cool, thanks
[15:56:32]<lejonet>Anyone here that could explain to me how the tag mask works in the header file for dwm?
[15:57:23]<lejonet>1 << 8 seems to mask all tags but 9, so the app automatically starts in 9, but would 1 << 2|4 << 9 do so an app only starts in the third tag?
[16:01:56]<cdarwin>lejonet: http://dwm.suckless.org/customisation/tagmask ?
[16:03:16]<lejonet>cdarwin: Thank you, ive been searching around for such a thing but never found anything similar, I guess I used the wrong search terms