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[01:29:15]<erikh>hotpluggin sounds like an awesome geek porno yet to be made
[02:13:10]<jerome>arg: I just pushed a dwm patch update on 'sites', if you don't mind updating the site later ...
[02:49:33]<arg>jerome: thanks, applied
[02:50:24]<arg>00:55 < erle-> arg, do you really think a kernel without modules could be useful in any way?
[02:51:06]<arg>yes I think that makes sense for a custom end user system, there is no point in having module support -- wether the kernel supports all hardware/features you are using or not
[03:15:16]<nsz>i use modules support for disabling modules in certain cases
[03:15:38]<nsz>eg disabling mouse, or powersaving
[03:16:02]<nsz>i wonder if you can do that on linux without unloading a module
[03:44:16]<arg>nsz: what was your GSoC id?
[03:47:48]<arg>nsz: ok, got it, it's nsz
[03:47:53]<arg>application is through now
[04:56:28]<arg>is it just me or are the dates of recent libxml2 downloads in the future? ftp://xmlsoft.org/libxml2/
[05:00:32]<nsz>downloads?
[05:00:38]<nsz>03/09/2010 is 2010-03-09
[05:01:34]<nsz>the hour might be timezone dependent
[05:22:42]<jerome>arg: thank you sir.
[05:28:23]<nsz>hm this gsoc web app is quite slow
[05:31:04]<nsz>500 server error
[05:31:06]<nsz>nice
[05:33:25]<loupgaroublond>that's because all google apps are only beta
[05:33:36]<loupgaroublond></troll>
[05:36:55]<nsz>hm if i click on site/home or user/list_documents then the sidebar thinks i'm not logged in anymore..
[05:39:26]<arg>well libxml2-2.7.6.tar.gz for example has date 10/6/10, isn't that 10 June 2010?
[05:44:35]<nsz>that's 10/06/2009 here
[05:45:43]<arg>really? not in google chrome on Windows
[05:49:06]<nsz>i checked it with another ftp client.. seems chrome is buggy then
[05:49:19]<arg>yup, very odd
[05:49:41]<arg>chrome's ftp support must be buggy
[05:57:13]<dpb>arg: did you try with another ftp client?
[05:57:28]<dpb>might just be your computer..
[05:57:55]<dpb>ok, it isn't, the dates are screwed on my chromium too ;)
[07:01:12]<uriel>arg: I love the idea, but I don't think this is a valid GSoC project, AFAIK gsoc projects should require writting code
[07:01:26]<uriel>(I think they made some exception for writting docs, but this is stretching things a bit too far)
[07:01:48]<uriel>'Modern libc' this is too ambitious, too vague, and too pointless
[07:02:25]<uriel>improvements to tcc, while would be nice to have is also way out of scope
[07:02:47]<uriel>as for sltar, I just don't see the point
[07:03:10]<uriel>"lacks gzip and bzip2 integration. The task requires extending sltar with support for these compression applications and writing a test suite for it"
[07:03:13]<uriel>this is plain stupid and WRONG
[07:03:23]<nsz>i also support removing a few ideas from that list
[07:03:25]<uriel>no tar implementation should know anything about any compression algorithm
[07:03:38]<uriel>(and yes, the p9 tar is fucked in that sense, blame russ)
[07:04:01]<uriel>"Write cookie handler for surf" this is a fucking waste of time
[07:49:26]<arg>yes please remove crappy ideas, I apply asap
[07:58:22]<nsz>ok i'll remove the c99 spec and core audit (they are not programming tasks) and tcc (we are not really competent)
[07:58:48]<arg>and also modern libc? I mean we propose to use bionic
[07:58:55]<nsz>ok
[07:59:28]<nsz>i think libc is not good fog gsoc, but some basic lib could be nice
[07:59:40]<nsz>something between libposix and libc
[08:00:05]<nsz>whatever
[08:00:16]<nsz>i'll remove libc for now as well
[08:15:42]<arg>good thx, I think I convinced my employer that I can release my cross-platform abstraction lib under open source at some point
[08:17:11]<arg>assumed that happens soon, we can add another idea
[08:18:08]<arg>proposing ideas surrounding swk (http://hg.suckless.org/swk) doesn't make sense yet, I need to spend some more time with pancake soon to clean up and write down what we have in mind
[08:25:06]<srm>morrn
[08:27:58]<arg>zahod: cool, didn't saw you for ages
[08:29:19]<zahod>:) hey
[08:30:30]<zahod>naw, uriel scared me off a future in IT so I was vagabonding around Asia for a few years
[08:31:03]<arg>zahod: and now you realised how great IT is ?
[08:31:59]<zahod>wouldn't say so :)
[08:32:31]<arg>so what's your summary from Asia, what did you learn?
[08:39:33]<zahod>a pretty good insight in simple life I guess
[08:39:41]<zahod>and a handful languages
[08:40:18]<zahod>but it's not like I aimed at becoming a guru or something ;)
[08:40:23]<arg>ic, what did you do? IT stuff or just completely different ythings?
[08:40:57]<zahod>anything but IT
[08:41:52]<zahod>last place I lived was square in the middle of nowhere, with rice paddies in every direction
[08:42:20]<arg>so you returned just recently or a while ago?
[08:43:10]<zahod>mostly just bumming around until I kinda became a father on a whim recently
[08:43:45]<arg>ic, well congrats then ;)
[08:45:44]<zahod>thank you :)
[08:46:15]<arg>will you visit the glenda camp in summer?
[08:46:23]<zahod>I've kept one eye on the mailinglists, are you working in London nowadays?
[08:46:48]<arg>yes near London
[08:47:00]<zahod>probably not :/, bound for The Philippines in spring
[08:48:24]<arg>what about Japan, weren't you learning Japanese?
[08:57:15]<zahod>I did, mission complete :). But had some visa problems and didn't feel like sticking around anymore
[08:59:58]<zahod>all in all a very good waste of time
[09:05:47]<arg>yea, it's great if you don't regret it
[09:06:20]<zahod>sure
[09:07:19]<zahod>how about you, keeping sane in the IT business?
[09:07:59]<arg>I hope so, try to spread the philosophy
[09:09:02]<arg>I don't regret being in IT, though I have seen so much crap, it can't be described in words
[09:09:45]<arg>but I guess it's the same everywhere, only 5% of things or even less are actually great
[09:10:19]<arg>I plan to return to good old Germany some day, but not this year
[09:10:33]<arg>been around in the UK for +2 years now
[09:12:41]<zahod>keep up the good work, glad that somebody's doing it
[09:13:15]<uriel>13:38 < arg> ic, well congrats then ;)
[09:13:27]<uriel>you should not congrat people when they have children!
[09:13:32]<arg>I try to spend more time on floss, but I got sucked into commercial projects, so that I need to seek the time, and of course one also needs to have a live
[09:13:41]<uriel>you should give them your condolences
[09:14:16]<arg>uriel: congrats are my way of condolences ;) it's less offensive
[09:14:52]<uriel>beign offensive is good, the world is too full of sissies
[09:15:12]<arg>uriel: well you disagreed with that UKIP guy ;)
[09:16:15]<uriel>being offensive and being just vulgar is different, plus my main issue is that he as 1) hypocritical 2) wrong 3) not funny
[09:17:54]<arg>uriel: well ok
[09:18:43]<zahod>haha, well suckless is just a different kind of baby y'know
[09:18:48]<arg>uriel: the problem is, one can say "congrats" in different ways, but one can't write it in different ways, I can imagine how you'd say congrats to zahod
[09:19:22]<uriel>arg: yes, I'd say 'congrats' by saying 'my condolences'
[09:19:51]<uriel>(I think what I said was 'ouch!' or something to that effect, not sure if zahod remembers :))
[09:20:14]<arg>uriel: what are your plans regarding getting married and such? ;)
[09:21:13]<uriel>married? uhu? that is probably even more stupid than having children
[09:21:24]<uriel>(yes, unless it is done purely for tax reasons, obviously)
[09:21:51]<zahod>you sent me a link to 'Fuck the children!' iirc
[09:22:00]<uriel>hehehehe
[09:23:08]<arg>uriel: I meant taht in a sarcastic way, I know your mother was a feminists, so I know their view on the structure called family
[09:23:47]<uriel>my mother was a feminist? I never noticed
[09:24:06]<arg>just guessing
[09:25:23]<arg>well I don't really care, I accept both, people believing in marriage and people like you saying this is all archaic junk
[09:27:49]<trone>uriel++ # your "beign offensive is good, the world is too full of sissies" get the approval mine... and of my wife. :-P
[09:28:11]<surrounder>hehe
[09:28:26]<arg>I don't accept the concept of marriage for tax reasons though, that's quite a lame excuse of people pretending in the Uriel category to the outside world, but being in the "believing in marriage" category in the relationship with some partner
[09:29:36]<arg>but I know, saying I only married for tax reasons is a classic win-win situation regardless the opinion of the opposite
[09:30:05]<jerome>makes you sound like antisocial
[09:30:05]<uriel>arg: I agree in most cases it is a bullshit hypocritical excuse
[09:30:12]<jerome>taxes are good
[09:30:29]<uriel>I just mean that in theory, if honestly the only reason to get married was to pay less taxes, i would be cool with it
[09:30:31]<jerome>they provide me with nice public service projects
[09:30:33]<surrounder>taxes are highly overrated
[09:30:44]<jerome>eheh
[09:30:45]<nsz>i don't care as long as we get better software in the end
[09:30:53]<arg>uriel: what's wrong with people believing in love?
[09:30:57]<surrounder>nsz: hrhr
[09:31:02]<jerome>ho
[09:31:07]<jerome>Uriel about love
[09:31:13]<uriel>arg: and the main problem with marriage is not that it is archaic junk, but that it is a really retarded and dumb way to organize your life and your relationships
[09:31:14]<jerome>I'm gonna love this show.
[09:31:14]<surrounder>everyone fire up scrot!
[09:31:57]<uriel>jerome: if you think taxes are good, why don't you hand some extra money to the government?
[09:32:01]<arg>uriel: well but that assumes that you argue monogamic relationships are impossible
[09:32:20]<jerome>uriel: I'm french, I'm a genetically engineered tax freak
[09:32:23]<jerome>.
[09:32:26]<arg>uriel: some people believe in monogamy
[09:32:42]<jerome>going against your genes is nonsense
[09:32:43]<uriel>arg: no, even if monogamic relationships are possible, to enter into a contract that ties you into *any* kind of relationship for no fucking reason is STUPID
[09:33:07]<surrounder>jerome: hmmm snails!
[09:33:09]*surrounder!~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl runs
[09:33:19]<arg>uriel: well the reason is religion or love
[09:33:27]<uriel>arg: I don't care what you believe in, but if you need a contract to reinforce what you believe in, your principles are pathetically worthless
[09:34:04]<uriel>by 'love' you mean 'mindless stupidity'? because if anything, marriage seems incompatible with any conception of 'love' that i ever heard of
[09:34:04]<jerome>surrounder: I don't like snails but frogs and rabbits are just fine.
[09:34:07]<arg>uriel: I'm neutral in this respect and I tend to agree with you in this question, but I don't care if people want to believe in the opposite, I accept that
[09:34:40]<uriel>sure, people do all kinds of retarded shit, as long as they limit it to their own lives it is not my problem
[09:34:58]<arg>uriel: I don't think marriage has great impact on people's performance, more the opposite, I think people in relationships perform good as workers
[09:35:18]<arg>that's all I'm after ;)
[09:35:31]<uriel>arg: if it has no impact it shows that it is even more stupid and pointless
[09:36:00]<arg>yea, but relationships have impact on peoples performance, that's what I'm saying
[09:36:36]<surrounder>jerome: :D
[09:37:22]<loupgaroublond>never eaten a snail or a frog, but rabbits are tasty
[09:38:21]<nsz>if i were to modify the current law system, marriage would not be my top priority..
[09:38:36]<loupgaroublond>i would mandate a snail on every plate
[09:38:55]<loupgaroublond>no one would want to marry each othre when their breaths stank of snails
[09:41:46]<arg>loupgaroublond: well you should mandate it to every second plate only, otherwise it has the effect of all eating garlic
[09:44:04]<loupgaroublond>mmmmmm garlic
[11:26:31]<decasm_>can surf open file: urls?
[11:29:17]<decasm_>hmm. apparently surf can, but not if i've got the file open with vim.
[11:30:04]<decasm_>it seg faults when the file is opened by vim.
[11:37:57]<jt_>no
[11:38:06]<jt_>that's what a file manager is for
[11:38:19]<jt_>and by file manager I mean a shell with cp, mv , &c
[11:38:32]<Zaba>what if you want to render a html file that's in your ~
[11:39:11]<jt_>set up nginx
[11:40:06]<raph_ael>convenient :)
[11:42:24]<kfx>raph_ael: just use htmlview
[11:43:13]<raph_ael>kfx: it's for Zaba, i have some ideas on how to view html files :)
[11:44:50]<kfx>no idea wtf 'zaba' is
[11:48:53]<raph_ael>kfx: someone here
[11:49:09]<kfx>oh
[12:02:30]<decasm_>well, surf can display the html page as long as it isn't opened by another program. and i don't see why that should even be a problem. and it definitely should not seg fault.
[12:11:30]<dibb>doesn't segfault for me, and sounds like a webkit problem... looks to me like surf is passing the uri directly to webkit without doing much with it
[12:13:56]<decasm_>it only seg faulted for me when i had the html file open with vim.
[12:15:00]<dibb>yeah I tried that
[12:17:11]<dibb>actually.. now it does behave a bit weird... it looks as if it's reloading the page hundreds of times before it decides to be happy about it and render it
[12:19:37]<decasm_>that is weird. regardless, be it surf or webkit, i don't think it should matter whether the url is http: or file:, it should just get it and display it.
[13:01:01]<wertwertgfhjrer>im using ubuntu 9.10 with dwm 5.6. why is it that i cannot maximise flash videos in firefox 3.5.8? same problem in ephiphany. the video gets maximised for under a second and then falls back to the normal view.
[13:03:17]<Biolunar>because flash is bugged
[13:06:18]<wertwertgfhjrer>but maximising works fine with awesome and wmii3.6 ...
[13:12:55]<dibb>wertwertgfhjrer: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0912/2687.html
[13:17:14]<wertwertgfhjrer>dibb, thx for the link
[15:52:21]<chi>=P
[15:52:32]<samble_>>_^
[15:52:37]<DaCa>:)
[17:17:37]<trone>surf require Gtk AND Webkit? (both, not or)
[17:19:26]<kfx>surf requires webkit-gtk
[17:19:33]<kfx>guess what webkit-gtk requires
[17:20:25]<erikh>heh
[17:21:23]<trone>I thought it was a single library... but make tell me that webkit package was not found...
[18:23:14]<uriel>arg: another idea, join the gsoc irc channel and ask for feedback on the project ideas page