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[04:51:49]<srm>Wo gives a google? ;-)
[05:18:10]<opafan48>so where is the sta.li iso?
[05:24:01]<nsz>i'm not sure if that's available online
[05:44:09]<arg>opafan48: there is an older iso in this bz2: http://dl.suckless.org/stali/stali.tar.bz2
[05:44:35]<arg>but that is outdated, a new ISO is expected in April when I have time to finish it off
[05:44:44]<opafan48>k thx
[06:55:46]<spaceinvader>arg: any news on the gsoc application?
[06:57:38]<spaceinvader>hmm seems to me they didn't get in again
[07:00:16]<opafan48>...Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your organization's application at this time...
[07:32:03]<arg>spaceinvader: yea we lost again
[07:32:48]<arg>I think if we'd use C++ everywhere we'd be in ;)
[07:33:22]<surrounder>hehe
[07:33:45]<nsz>or a web2 community
[07:34:18]<arg>yea using twitter instead of IRC
[07:45:15]<Zaba>yuck
[08:09:58]<opafan48>well maybe the reason was golang?
[08:11:50]<nsz>no
[08:12:30]<nsz>i think the reason is we don't have "one great product" we wich to add features to
[08:12:47]<nsz>s/wich/wish/
[08:21:20]<opafan48>whatever google sux
[08:22:23]<arg>well the outside reception of a project can be very different to insiders, and I guess Google has a similar impression of suckless.org as the Wikipedia editors that wanted to delete dwm
[08:23:57]<arg>or say, many people don't think the "Uriel way", they think that bugzilla, RT and friends are great inventions, hence they think wtf, why another issue tracker?
[08:24:19]<arg>or why another mail archiver, monharc is great ;)
[08:25:32]<arg>a friend of my colleage who works for Google likes C++ apparently, that tells you a lot about the mental state inside Google ;)
[08:26:29]<arg>or people like Russ start new projects in C++ ;)
[08:26:34]<loupgaroublond>google's not very transparent about their criteria for gsoc
[08:27:32]<loupgaroublond>at least wikipedia's transparent, they openly hate everything and everyone
[08:30:04]<surrounder>lol
[08:31:25]<opafan48>loupgaroublond, +1
[08:31:25]<jt_>I take it google didn't say why suckless wasn't accepted?
[08:32:03]<loupgaroublond>google hasn't publically made any comments yet about anything
[08:32:09]<loupgaroublond>we're trying to find out the same for fedora
[08:32:14]<jt_>ah
[08:41:38]<arg>loupgaroublond: well I can tell you why they rejected fedora, -> Google Chromium OS
[08:43:07]<loupgaroublond>debian, ubuntu, gentoo, and even pardus were accepted
[08:43:09]<arg>I'm not sure if #archlinux applied
[08:43:50]<arg>loupgaroublond: well google uses debian/ubuntu internally, not sure about gentoo but they are good at toolchaining
[08:45:00]<arg>but the main criteria is surely "Are we using this?" "Do we have employees that contribute(d) to this?"
[08:45:36]<arg>I mean they accepted facbook opensource
[08:45:50]<arg>that's a joke, facebook could spend the money for themselves
[08:46:18]<arg>never heared of expert labs
[08:46:22]<surrounder>haiku is accepted \o/
[08:50:04]<arg>pardus seems to be a company, great
[08:50:52]<loupgaroublond>it's because according to pardus, they are 'linux done right' or something like that
[08:51:04]<loupgaroublond>and then they were at chemnitz with that on their booth, right next to kubuntu
[08:51:13]<opafan48>and they r using python
[08:51:19]<loupgaroublond>if the irony's lost on you, you don't belong in this channel ;)
[08:51:20]<arg>oh didn't notice them
[08:51:35]<loupgaroublond>arg, were you at CLT too?
[08:51:47]<arg>loupgaroublond: yup
[08:51:55]<arg>I did a talk, the closing talk
[08:52:11]<loupgaroublond>ah ok, i didn't go to any talks, i'm very good at avoiding those things
[08:52:21]<loupgaroublond>they were in the corner across from the garderobe
[08:52:22]<arg>wise decision
[08:53:25]<arg>well some mentor orgs are surely interesting, for some I really wonder why they have been accepted
[08:54:30]<loupgaroublond>in the end, it's a gift google gives, and if they decide they don't want to give it to you, no one's asking you to be their friend either
[08:54:58]<arg>I only try to see the pattern ;)
[08:58:49]<nsz>oh damn.. they could not even publish that list without using js
[08:58:52]<nsz>gj
[09:01:04]<nsz>oh well there are lots of projects
[09:01:10]<nsz>phpmyadmin lol
[09:02:35]<surrounder>eeeek @ phpmyadmin
[09:02:39]<surrounder>horrible application
[09:12:08]<loupgaroublond>surrounder, you know that when you go to hell, you have to use phpmyadmin
[09:12:39]<surrounder>wootwoot
[09:13:14]<loupgaroublond>and you know that linux is just the devils playground
[09:13:47]<surrounder>o
[09:24:00]<arg>I regret we didn't add "write a decent gsoc web app " to our project ideas ;)
[09:24:57]<kfx>hahah
[09:25:12]<kfx>just remember, a suckless issue tracker would compete with google code
[09:27:15]<arg>google code doesn't deal with customer relations, I want some mix of RT and a bug tracker
[09:29:09]<kfx>so like trac but less shitty
[09:33:52]<arg>well, trac seems to have no real mail integration
[09:34:26]<arg>I'd solve the problem at the mail end first and then would hope that the "mail archiving" tool might be re-used as a web frontend for the issue tracker as well
[09:34:57]<arg>there is no reason to force anyone into web interfaces for issue tracking, it should all be mails
[09:49:08]<opafan48>or telnet sessions
[11:18:17]<zcram>so, uckless is becoming an unrespected minority that clearly is frowned upon by the mainstream bloatist movement?
[11:18:44]<chi>=(
[11:19:11]<zcram>gsoc is a nice idea but obviously, the acceptance of projects is rather biased toward more bloat
[11:19:53]<zcram>bigger, "established" projects get more of everything, because they already are "something"
[11:20:02]<Zaba>what benefits does getting accepted bring, anyway?
[11:20:12]<zcram>or, if some niche product is "missing" it might also get some attn
[11:20:22]<kfx>Zaba: kids get $3500 to work on your software and you get $500 to let them
[11:20:28]<Zaba>sounds nice
[11:24:34]<loupgaroublond>kfx, it's 5000 USD now
[11:25:13]<Zaba>damn, I want that
[11:25:19]<kfx>thank christ I am no longer living in ignorance of this
[11:25:36]<Zaba>then I would get myself a laptop and disappear with no trace
[11:27:32]<kfx>Zaba: they step the payments out
[11:27:37]<kfx>if the code stops flowing so does the money
[11:27:49]<kfx>you could probably get away with the first half though!
[11:27:54]<Zaba>indeed
[11:28:04]<Zaba>or well... I could finish it, and *then* disappear without a trace
[12:21:55]<opafan48>money sux too
[12:22:00]<opafan48>hf
[17:45:36]<k-zed>hiho all
[17:45:43]<k-zed>is anyone awake who speaks some german?
[17:45:48]<k-zed>i need a few simple strings translated
[17:48:26]<k-zed>woo found someone nvm
[19:00:31]<antoszka>1st
[22:04:08]<shardz>arg: Typo on garbe.us, says "interestes" intstead of "interests".
[22:04:34]<apo>intertestes
[22:04:42]<shardz>haha