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[04:41:28]<arg>http://stats.grok.se/en/201003/dwm
[05:11:13]<init>Hello
[06:10:49]<arg>hi
[06:15:02]<mxey>arg: is there anything from the stali talk to look at, except the existing paper, like slides or something?
[06:16:05]<nsz>http://dl.suckless.org/stali/clt2010/
[06:16:56]<Knirch>403 for some files (like [dynamic|static]-linking.png)
[06:17:22]<arg>mxey: dunno, it's not very interesting I think
[06:18:38]<arg>mxey: fixed the perms
[06:21:18]<surrounder>lol @ tux_stali.png
[06:21:33]<mxey>arg: it was some new details, so it is interesting
[06:22:15]<mxey>*has
[06:31:11]<surrounder>what's schumi doing there? :P
[06:32:08]<nsz>the talk was during some f1 event
[06:33:22]<surrounder>aah cool :)
[06:34:36]<arg>schumi is our official sponsor ;)
[06:34:51]<surrounder>haha
[06:34:55]<surrounder>schumi sucks less
[06:46:11]<surrounder>http://icculus.org/openbox/wiki/ - hehe, great 404 ^^
[06:46:52]<srm>remove the last /
[06:47:34]<srm>err
[06:47:43]<surrounder>the message is just funny
[07:08:32]<srm>indeed
[07:54:02]<hshhhhh>hi2all
[07:54:32]<hshhhhh>i've wrote script for wmii and want to publish it on official site, what must i do?
[08:06:04]<nsz>hg clone the-suckless-site
[08:06:19]<nsz>then edit then hg push
[08:06:57]<nsz>s/edit/edit then hg ci/
[08:11:14]<hshhhhh>hm, i thought i must send letter to mail lists.
[08:11:15]<hshhhhh>tnx
[08:16:36]<nsz>hshhhhh: it won't appear on the site immediately
[08:16:56]<nsz>will be reviewed first
[08:24:29]<hshhhhh>nsz: i understand )
[08:24:33]<hshhhhh>tnx
[08:24:55]*hshhhhh!~nya@178.120.80.148 went emergin mercurial
[08:26:22]<nsz>writing to the mailing list as well is a good idea too
[08:27:01]<hshhhhh>to dev or hackers?
[08:27:11]<nsz>dev
[08:27:16]<hshhhhh>ok, tnx
[08:27:27]<nsz>with wmii in the subject
[08:27:40]<hshhhhh>may be you when wmii 3.9 will be reliazed?
[08:27:59]<nsz>nope i'm not a wmii user
[08:28:21]<nsz>i think most of the ppl here use dwm
[08:28:43]<Knirch><- exception
[08:29:07]<Knirch>but I only lurk anyway, so I don't count
[08:29:17]<hshhhhh>using 'make' not good if i can use emerge ^)
[09:26:12]<mxey>I wonder if RCS would be adequate to version control /etc. Git and Hg offer a lot of features that are really not required in such a use case.
[09:26:32]<a_l_e>hi. is there a way to run apps with sudo rights from dmenu?
[09:26:58]<a_l_e>(without gksu)
[09:33:29]<kfx>a_l_e: echo "yourpassword" | sudo -S commandtorun
[09:38:22]<DaCa>yeah, make sure your password shows up in the process list :p
[09:38:49]<a_l_e>DaCa: that is not really an issue on my sigle user computer...
[09:39:02]<a_l_e>but having it in the history is...
[09:40:29]<a_l_e>kfx: i took you idea... and packed it in a oneliner shell script...
[09:40:43]<a_l_e>called dsudo...
[09:40:53]<kfx>a_l_e: good for you
[09:40:53]<a_l_e>"""echo "$1" | sudo -S $2"""
[09:41:21]<DaCa>then you could just as well configure sudo to execute the command without requiring a password
[09:41:30]<a_l_e>DaCa: why?
[09:42:18]<kfx>DaCa: he's passing the password in as the first argument
[09:42:35]<kfx>which is, for the record, probably not the smartest or most secure way to do things
[09:43:01]<a_l_e>kfx: as i said, i'm open for better ways of doing.
[09:43:28]<kfx>a_l_e: stop doing things that require sudo
[09:44:11]<a_l_e>kfx: thanks for the tip... my mother always says me i should stop using the computer... i guess i should follow your advices and through everything out of the window.
[09:44:25]<kfx>yeah that's exactly what I said, you idiot
[09:45:17]<a_l_e>kfx: i guess you never had to reach a goal in your life...
[09:45:37]<a_l_e>and maybe having limited time for it...
[09:45:42]<a_l_e>good luck!
[09:45:45]<kfx>a_l_e: you're a dumb shit
[09:45:53]<a_l_e>are you uriel?
[09:46:02]<kfx>no, I'm just someone who isn't an idiot
[09:46:07]<kfx>I'm sure we all look the same to you
[09:46:14]<a_l_e>then stop talking like an idiot, please.
[09:46:46]<kfx>maybe you should 'through' yourself out of irc
[09:46:51]<jt_>omg irc drama
[09:47:28]<kfx>all I suggested was that there are better ways to get things done than sudo.
[09:47:38]<kfx>I can't work out why you'd get butthurt about that, but whatever
[09:47:47]<a_l_e>kfx: se il tuo italiano è migliore del mio inglese, cambiamo lingua.
[09:48:02]<kfx>oh good excuses
[09:48:10]<a_l_e>kfx: you called me an idiot, you didn't suggest me any better ways.
[09:48:11]<kfx>yah nyeh ponimayu
[09:48:38]<a_l_e>adieu mes chers
[09:49:16]<jt_>wat?
[09:49:27]<uriel>hey, I *am* an idiot!
[09:53:52]<DaCa>uriel: we know, but you usually don't show off with it :)
[10:02:10]<arg>what was that?
[10:02:24]<arg>it's getting spring now in Europe
[11:43:21]<Guest1>any way to spawn a new window in the stack instead of the master area ?
[11:43:23]<Guest1>(dwm)
[11:44:14]<jessta>markand: I think there is a patch for that
[11:44:37]<markand>I check thanks
[12:29:18]<init>Hello I'm on wmii 3.6, I use Tagging rules, and I want to know if it possible ,and how, can we change current tag, with other Key that $MODKEY-t
[12:29:36]<init>I just want to can change with one KEY BINDING
[12:29:43]<init>(next-previous tag)
[12:32:05]<init>nobody know ro nobody understand me (I'm french)
[12:32:07]<init>?
[12:37:38]<arg>wmii 3.6 is quite old
[12:37:47]<arg>most here use dwm
[12:37:58]<arg>some use recent 3.9x wmii versions
[12:38:56]<init>there are only wmii 3.6 on archlinux
[12:40:30]<init>Tux
[12:40:33]<init>sorry
[12:41:33]<arg>init: I don't remember are the things in wmii, 4 years already passed by since I used it
[12:41:58]<arg>init: I suggest send a mail to dev@
[12:42:25]<init>ok ... but wmii is supported ? or it's out-of-date, and dwm remplace it ,?
[12:42:43]<arg>init: wmii 3.9x is the current version
[12:42:51]<arg>that's supported
[12:42:55]<n0nsense>init: I'd suggest you to build wmii-hg from aur
[12:44:00]<init>ok arg n0nsense I saw, but is it necessary ? because, wmii from extra is not deprecated
[12:45:15]<init>config file will change if I take wmii-hg ?
[12:45:39]<Gottox>hell... I will NEVER use any of this gtk shit again...
[12:46:10]<Gottox>The documantion is plain wrong...
[12:46:14]<Gottox>-a+e
[12:53:58]<n0nsense>I was forced to use ubuntu yesterday
[12:54:18]<n0nsense>init: yes, config file will change to something more modern. wmii 3.6 is like 3 years old or something
[12:54:55]<n0nsense>init: but I think it's possible to keep your config file if you love it so much :D
[12:55:43]<init>ohh, wmii-3.6 is old from 3 years :O
[12:56:31]<init>it is so old !
[12:57:41]<erikh>does it need to change?
[12:57:47]<n0nsense>that's why 3.9 is recommended :P
[12:57:56]<erikh>I mean, I'd love xft support, but I believe that horse has been beaten more than a few times
[12:58:39]<init>and I heard that some of you use dwm, why use dwm and not wmii ,?
[12:59:50]<lavish>17:54 < n0nsense> init: but I think it's possible to keep your config file if you love it so much :D -> lol, great reply. I sould write it down, it could be useful in the future :P
[13:00:46]<n0nsense>init: wmii wastes too much space on a netbook, from my point of view
[13:01:06]<n0nsense>(screen space of course, not disks space)
[13:01:59]<init>oh
[13:02:39]<init>I have a large screen, not a problem, but other reson ?
[13:02:41]<init>reason*
[13:02:45]*init!~init@server5.tonbnc.fr gonna eat
[13:03:10]<sha0>hi ppl
[13:03:28]<sha0>i have a problem with xterm borders:
[13:03:30]<sha0>http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7557/capturakl.png
[13:15:14]<sha0>hi?
[13:15:26]<sha0>hi nion
[13:16:24]<nsz>what kind of terminal is that?
[13:17:18]<nsz>oh xterm
[13:17:37]<nsz>well there should be a border around each terminal unless you turned it off in the config.h
[13:18:59]<nsz>i use borderpx=2 to see which window is selected
[13:19:36]<nsz>oh and selbordercolor[] matters as well
[13:19:46]<nsz>make sure it's not black
[13:20:04]<nsz>s/sel/*/
[13:20:53]<sha0>xterm
[13:20:54]<sha0>sorry
[13:21:03]<sha0>i use 2 pixels too
[13:21:38]<sha0>oks will se the *bodercolor items
[13:22:18]<sha0>the colors are the default ones
[13:23:57]<sha0>nsz: which term do you recommend?
[13:25:17]<nsz>hm
[13:25:27]<nsz>it should work with xterm
[13:26:07]<nsz>other windows work fine?
[13:26:09]<sha0>Eterm has also border problems
[13:26:14]<nsz>i see
[13:26:24]<nsz>xclock?
[13:26:46]<sha0>with ffox no border appear
[13:29:16]<sha0>maybe a last version bug?
[13:30:20]<nsz>i don't think there was such bug
[13:30:38]<nsz>i'm not sure what might cause it
[13:31:10]<nsz>what is the background color of x?
[13:31:44]<nsz>try to run an application with no resizehint that has different color + set huge border
[13:32:01]<nsz>so we can see if the windows are at least placed accordingly
[13:32:48]<nsz>..or the borders are entirely discarded
[13:35:37]<sha0>by default my x start on blax
[13:35:41]<sha0>black
[13:35:48]<sha0>i dondt use xorg.conf
[13:35:54]<sha0>kde works ok
[13:36:18]<sha0>maybe fotn[] ?
[13:36:24]<nsz>run xclock
[13:36:28]<sha0>ffopnt
[13:36:33]<nsz>several xclock
[13:36:49]<nsz>and see if there is a gap between them
[13:37:05]<sha0>the same happens with xclock
[13:37:34]<nsz>is there a gap between them?
[13:37:45]<sha0>snap pixel = 32
[13:37:51]<sha0>yep, there is a gap
[13:38:18]<nsz>then the place of the border is there but the border is not drawn..
[13:42:20]<sha0>if i move it, the border is drawn
[13:42:29]<sha0>the border apperars
[13:42:32]<nsz>heh
[13:46:14]<sha0>thnx man
[13:48:12]<sha0>oops not ok :/
[13:50:50]<mhi_>sha0: I use no borders but urxvt's 'shading'. So if you work with a lot of terminals, you can clearly see the focused one.
[13:51:21]<mhi_>Sorry, I meant 'fading' ;]
[13:51:39]<nsz>it's still a bug if the border is not drawn in certain cases
[13:52:14]<nsz>either dwm or x or video driver or..
[13:56:16]<sha0>ok use xrandr to change the size
[13:56:21]<sha0>and all works ok
[13:56:23]<sha0>:)
[13:56:58]<sha0>how ca
[13:57:11]<sha0>how can i change the charset to spanish?
[13:57:27]<sha0>loadkeys doesnt work on x
[13:57:28]<nsz>there is no spanish charset
[13:58:57]<nsz>i guess yhou meant keyboard layout
[13:59:05]<nsz>not charset
[14:05:12]<didier>Hello. I'm with wmii from ubuntu package, and when I start my session I think I'm not in tiling mode, I'm in floating mode.
[14:05:31]<didier>Is there an option in wmiirc I can set to start in tiling mode ?
[14:26:14]<jt_>man wmii
[14:42:28]<didier>jt_: :(
[15:14:40]*init!~init@server5.tonbnc.fr dush
[15:53:18]<Guest79>hi ppl
[15:54:38]<sha0>hi nsz
[15:55:24]<sha0>how can i configure my keyboard in wdm?
[15:55:26]<sha0>to spanish
[15:56:33]<kfx>http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html#3
[15:56:50]<sha0>thnx
[15:58:30]<sha0>but im not using Xorg
[16:02:56]<kfx>good luck running dwm then
[16:03:10]<sha0>lol
[16:03:20]<sha0>i launched setxkbmap
[16:03:24]<sha0>and now is ok
[16:03:37]<sha0>i put setxkbmap on .initrc
[16:04:59]<sha0>thnx
[16:42:04]*init!~init@server5.tonbnc.fr dodo, bonne soirée
[16:58:55]<laen>Hm, Ctrl-g in surf, putting the address in the bar and hitting the enter key does not make surf go to the address. Wondering what i'm doing wrong.
[19:13:14]<Gottox>ok, hopefully, the new cookie reader/writer is ready at the weekend. :)
[19:14:11]<n0nsense>yaay
[19:15:39]<Gottox>also downloads are fixed yet.
[19:23:49]<mhi_>When running dwm in a loop and closing it (quit()), all views get moved to the first tag. Is there any way to prevent that?
[19:53:23]<jessta>mhi_: where should the windows be?
[19:54:48]<mhi_>jessta: Well, it would be cool if they would stay on the tags they were before calling quit()
[19:56:03]<aaptel>Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine
[20:02:47]<jessta>mhi_: since dwm doesn't have a config file or any saved state, how would one do that?
[20:05:18]<mhi_>That makes sense, of course. Thought there might be a patch. :)
[20:09:10]<sqweek>wmii uses a window property to remember tags between restarts
[20:45:45]<jessta>mhi_: how often do you quit dwm? and why?
[20:52:34]<mhi_>jessta: Well, I'm using it since yesterday and am constantly changing my config.h. But you're right. It doesn't really matter, if you have found your perfect config finally.