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[00:35:28]<marko_d>hi
[00:35:34]<ohnobinki>'lo
[00:36:02]<marko_d>started using dwm & surf so thinking of sticking on the channel :)
[03:10:38]<|>markand: Stick like nothing has ever stuck before >8D
[03:10:51]<|>Er... wrong person :p
[03:17:44]<jessta>lol
[03:37:19]<mxey>Gottox: Is something like the hints in Vimperator or uzbl planned for surf, so one can control it without the pointer?
[04:09:59]<Zaba>mxey, http://surf.suckless.org/files/link_hints?
[04:11:02]<mxey>Zaba: oh, thanks a lot :)
[04:30:56]<Gottox>mxey: I will use this: http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebSettings.html#WebKitWebSettings--enable-spatial-navigation
[04:31:16]<Gottox>(additionally you can still use link_hints.)
[04:32:52]<mxey>ah, I know Spatial Navigation from Opera.
[04:33:11]<mxey>Gottox: While I have your attention, I guess there have been no news on the whole SSL verification issue in libsoup?
[04:35:39]<Gottox>mxey: It's up to the libsoup guys :)
[04:36:39]<mxey>Gottox: Sure, I just thought you were more involved in that than me.
[04:38:46]<Gottox>mxey: Well, it's on the todo for 0.5
[04:38:56]<Gottox>0.4 will hopefully released this weekend.
[04:39:22]<mxey>hm :)
[04:39:54]<mxey>regarding releases, it would be nice if suckless projects would not only have a link to the tarball, but also to a changelog when new versions come out ;)
[04:42:58]<Gottox>the most significant changes are mentioned in the mailinglist.
[04:43:28]<mxey>what about the news on the front page of suckless.org?
[04:44:34]<arg>mxey: they will be fixed soon
[04:44:44]<mxey>arg: meaning?
[05:07:55]<Gottox>ok, please review surf on mercurial. It's gonna be released on sunday if there are no blockers.
[05:09:57]<Gottox>btw, who owns twitter.com/suckless?
[05:24:34]*arg!~arg@212.13.194.175.rev.bitfolk.com
[05:24:50]<arg>Gottox: shall I announce?
[05:25:15]<Gottox>arg: announce what?
[05:25:26]<arg>surf when it's released?
[05:25:44]<Gottox>you may :P
[05:26:30]<Gottox>btw, what's the state on surf on stali?
[05:26:36]<Gottox>-on+of
[05:31:00]<arg>http://wurstball.de/static/ircview/pictures/749cd15bf9d0254286148f468567b29e.jpg
[05:31:09]<arg>Gottox: doesn't link
[05:31:32]<arg>X.org is current issue where I'm stuck
[05:35:57]<Gottox>arg: btw, can occur license issues when staticly linking GPL software to MIT/X software?
[06:09:51]<arg>Gottox: no, I don't think so as long as the source and the build files are available
[06:10:09]<arg>and the libs as well that are used in static executables
[06:10:39]<arg>if it's still an issue, we could just supply static libs + a script that links the system
[06:11:20]<arg>then we don't violate the license but the end user, which is non-critical as long he doesn't redistributes a violated system
[06:11:40]<arg>but as said I think it is ok as long as everything is transparent and accessible
[06:24:18]*n0nsense!~ente@barfooze.de tries to remember if dwm just crashed in his dream tonight or in "real life"
[06:27:45]<jessta>I had a dream about giant chickens, I'm not sure if that was a dream or not
[06:55:52]<ronin>hi
[06:56:07]<n0nsense>jessta: that reminds me of "the gold rush" :P
[06:57:02]<ronin>does anybody know how I can change the default terminal in wmii? I would prefer a gnome-terminal on mod+enter
[06:57:38]<n0nsense>ronin: read the config file, change the config file, mod+a wmiirc
[06:59:42]<ronin>thx
[07:16:29]<nsz>http://www.youtube.com
[07:17:58]<n0nsense>already seen it
[07:18:52]<Gottox>holy crap, surf crashes youtube ;)
[07:34:54]<laen>What other alternatives of viewing ii out's come to mind? Not that fond of multitail.
[07:35:18]<n0nsense>sed? :)
[07:35:34]<laen>Hehe. How would that be?
[07:36:00]<laen>Running sed in a loop to paste last lines?
[07:36:32]<n0nsense>well, you could 's/yournick/\e[31;1myournick\e[0;0m/g'
[07:41:27]<laen>Would be nice if i would be able to echo nonsense to irc channels and see output at the same time.. mmm wishes.
[07:41:33]*laen!~laen@dc5146ce7e.adsl.wanadoo.nl slaps himself
[07:42:25]<laen>s/at the same time/on the same terminal with an comfortable way to switch between channels/
[07:42:31]<laen>Oh i don't know what i want, nevermind :)
[07:51:08]<neldoreth>laen: use screen or tmux?
[07:51:47]<Gottox>arg: about stali where are you stuck exactly?
[07:53:04]<Gottox>I found a howto to build a static libx11
[07:56:14]<mxey>What is so special about a static libX11?
[07:56:51]<laen>neldoreth: jup, screen it is.
[08:48:33]<apo_>woot, new hdds. *resyncs his raid*
[08:57:49]<laen>grats :)
[09:39:11]<arg>Gottox: not libx11, it's somewhere in xorg-drivers last time I worked on it
[09:45:26]<mxey>did you consider building kdrive with included drivers instead of loadable drivers?
[09:48:26]<arg>mxey: yes, but then I don't get the same proper experience I'm after
[09:48:33]<arg>kdrive is quite limited imho
[09:49:18]<mxey>arg: elaborate, please
[09:55:46]<Gottox>arg: I'm considering kdrive as a starting point, too.
[10:03:17]<mxey>Debian has a prebuilt xfbdev drive as a package, but when I tried it neither mouse nor keyboard worked. Startup speed was very good though :>
[10:08:35]<kfx>kdrive was a great project until they fucked up and crammed it all back into the main tree
[10:11:55]*chrisb_!~chrisb_@pool-71-175-249-137.phlapa.east.verizon.net doesn't understand framebuffer driver idea
[10:12:53]<arg>mxey: I need a decent multihead setup, last time I checked kdrive it wasnt supposed to support that kind of thing
[10:13:09]<arg>I think biting into the bullet and using x.org is the only way to go fro now
[10:13:14]<mxey>ah, ok.
[10:13:23]*mxey!~mxey@shells.chaosdorf.de uses multihead too
[10:13:29]<arg>(though I'm considering using the openbsd x.org repackaging)
[10:13:47]<arg>http://xenocara.org/
[10:13:56]<mxey>yeah
[10:14:02]<arg>that is a bit more conservative than going with bleeding edge x.org
[10:15:25]<DaCa>xenocara is much more than repackaging
[10:15:46]*chrisb_!~chrisb_@pool-71-175-249-137.phlapa.east.verizon.net listens
[10:16:41]<DaCa>most important differences are privilege seperation and access to the hardware thru the aperture driver
[10:16:43]<apo_>Heh
[10:16:44]<apo_>172995|89.105.192.71|`; drop table logins;--|
[10:16:45]<apo_>I lol'd
[10:18:26]<n0nsense>apo_: where's that from?
[10:18:33]<apo_>My ssh log
[10:20:51]<n0nsense>oh...
[10:21:18]<n0nsense>interesting :-D
[10:24:09]<arg>DaCa: don't you think those changes are pretty minor compared to the big x.org mess on top?
[10:25:20]<Gottox>arg: Have you talked to uriel? iirc he played around with xorg on plan9
[10:27:28]<DaCa>arg: I am not familiar with the code, just wanted to say that there is more going on than repackaging
[10:28:23]<chrisb_>where can i get RADEON/R100_cp.bin ? microcode?
[10:31:55]*chrisb_!~chrisb_@pool-71-175-249-137.phlapa.east.verizon.net found it firmware-linux-nonfree.deb
[10:35:51]<arg>Gottox: I wouldn't ask Uriel about X.org details ;)
[10:36:48]<arg>Gottox: I'm sure he will tell you how much X sucks but apart from that ;)
[10:37:26]<arg>I can't imagine that building current xorg is remotely doable on plan9
[10:45:54]<Gottox>arg: I wouldn't call uriel about anything, if I don't intent a flame :P
[10:57:25]<arg>Gottox: ah ok
[11:11:48]<chrisb_>Gottox: i like the dijkstra article you link to on your website
[11:21:17]<apo_>Any one who has learned quantum mechanics knows what I am talking about.) <-- oh yes...
[11:21:56]<chrisb_>apo_: ?
[11:22:56]<apo_>chrisb_: Article?
[11:30:11]<apo_>We are hardly less primitive: why do we persist here in answering the telephone with the most unhelpful "hello" instead of our name? <-- I *hate* people who do that.
[11:31:20]<Gottox>privacy reasons :P
[11:33:39]<rob|>apo_: i expect people who call me to know whom they just called..
[11:35:28]<apo_>rob|: That's fine on a cell phone, but not on landlines, where it can reasonably be expected that someone I don't want to talk to answers the call.
[11:38:56]<apo_>"Because no endeavour is respectable these days without a TLA (= Three-Letter Acronym), I propose that we adopt for computing science FMI (= Formal Methods Initiative), and, to be on the safe side, we had better follow the shining examples of our leaders and make a Trade Mark of it."
[11:39:01]<apo_>:D
[11:39:13]<rob|>well, i don't agree for private phones
[11:39:29]<rob|>be it a landline or not..
[11:41:59]<arg>I never take a call with my name
[11:42:18]<arg>there are so many spam calls, that I don't want to tell them my name ;)
[11:42:37]<arg>also if someone calls you don't want to speak to you can then say, sorry wrong number
[11:43:41]<apo_>Dijkstra agrees with me, so I'm happy. Fuck you guys. :P
[11:43:48]*kfx!~kfx@location-b.madleet.net answers the phone "Thank you for calling Kurt's phone, this is Kurt speaking, how can I help you?"
[11:44:11]<surrounder>hehe
[11:46:54]<arg>shouldn't this article be deleted? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_of_control
[11:47:36]*arg!~arg@212.13.194.175.rev.bitfolk.com answers the phone like so: "Can I take your name please?"
[11:48:05]<arg>If someone speaks to me in the public I expect that he says first who is is
[11:48:14]<arg>s/is is/he is/
[11:56:00]<n0nsense>"yes?"
[11:56:01]<n0nsense>:D
[11:56:34]<n0nsense>arg: I think fefe blogged about this today?
[11:57:44]<arg>yup
[12:11:07]<chrisb_>apo_: link http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html
[12:11:23]<apo_>-.-"
[12:11:39]<apo_>That quote was from the article
[12:11:46]<apo_>"Article?" = "I thought you read it?"
[12:12:51]<chrisb_>apo_: ok
[12:15:59]<apo_>o m g, I found an old Win 3.11 floppy.
[13:02:41]<laen>Hm, weird, it's quite normal here that people say their name when they answer a call.
[13:04:33]<arg>you can say a wrong name
[13:24:57]<init>pklop
[13:25:02]<init>plop
[13:54:47]<dsv>hello can anyone tell me which font this is:
[13:54:51]<dsv>http://dwm.suckless.org/screenshots/dwm-20090710.png
[13:55:00]<dsv>on the right irssi window
[13:55:17]<mczinger>newb questions: how can i display the name of the program i'm running in a terminal (e.g., my header right now just displays my username and directory rather than IRSSI)
[13:59:29]<mczinger>(FYI, running WMII)
[13:59:35]<vcgomes>dsv: looks like Terminus
[14:33:03]<n0nsense>yep, looks like terminus
[14:54:51]<laen>Oh my, tmux is lovely. Having an irc session for ii, a normal session for myself; switching to a channel with tmux link-window -k -s irc:suckless -t laen:0 ..it's starting to get hot :)
[15:03:18]<n0nsense>yes, tmux is great
[15:04:06]<yawn>hello
[15:04:08]<yawn>O:
[15:06:42]<__20h__>Yeah, tmux rocks, but is not too solid.
[15:07:36]<n0nsense>define solid?
[15:07:57]<n0nsense>I think it's a lot better than screen regarding stability
[15:08:13]<__20h__>It has edges you can polish.
[15:08:43]<__20h__>n0nsense, it feels faster.
[15:09:19]<n0nsense>yes
[15:09:52]<n0nsense>that's because they use a different method to build the screen content
[16:22:13]<init>Ciao, good night all
[16:35:09]<laen>Well, feeling faster is not so what i'm looking for.. but most of screen is completely chinese for me. I mean it takes years of usage to learn how to make screen do what you want exactly. With tmux, it's a lot easier as everything is so much more obvious.
[16:35:34]<laen>Aaaand.. i've had soooo much screen crashes, it stopped beeing funny. "The dungeon collapses around you!!" bleh.
[20:28:38]<wart_>hmm. is this a dumbass attack on my end. in config.h in the latest surf I have: { MODKEY, GDK_w, newwindow, { .v = NULL } },
[20:28:52]<wart_>but that no longer seems to work; but the right-click newwindow line does work.
[20:32:13]<wart_>n/m dumbass attack.